One of the spiritual works of mercy is to admonish the sinner. The SSPX bishops are episcupus vagans who have rejected numerous offers of regularization from Rome. It is perfectly legitimate to argue that by surrendering to the. Next to nothing, in my opinion, except selling subscriptions, calling Traditional publications spiritual pornographers, and losing readers due to non-stop blasting of Catholics who would otherwise be in their corner. redneck: would his jurisdiction for SSPX confessions expire If Francis is a Realpope, and not a Fakepope like Edgar or Derek in the post, then his decrees would be like the decrees of all Realpopes: they would last stand a future Realpope abrogated them or issued something to alter them in some way, unless the original Realpope included some sort of sunset provision. It seems to read as though referring to the Church of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X. If that were the proper reading, then certainly the Pope intended to indicate that the SSPX held itself out as a separate church, and that would mean that the SSPX would be in schism from the Catholic Church. The fact that the Roman authorities refuse to produce any such act permits us to doubt its existence. Then, it is useless to invoke law to try to suffocate the life of our priestly society Indeed, the kind act of the Holy See should not be interpreted as a determination to strangle the Society of Saint Pius X. During a September 2022 Q&A hosted by the Ohio-based . (Did Pope Francis REALLY say SSPX are not in schism?). Ironically, he is the one who acts as if we have no pope as he routinely ignores almost every scandalous and controversial thing he says or does. Is this the case? ), You want to convince the faithful that the proximate cause of the crisis is more than a wrong interpretation of the Council, and that it flows from the, Moreover, you act as if you had a particular role in this regard. (I write putatively excommunicated because I think it can be seen from the 1983 Code of Canon Law that consecration of bishops without papal approval must be proved to be ex-dolothat is, out of malice. The funny thing about charging the Archbishop with leading Catholics into sedevacantism is that he instead provided an alternative to sedevacantism. What irony that Voris implies this horror and evil regarding the last five popes while refusing to criticize them. I don't know. This would be ridiculous since the Pope had just remitted the excommunications, putting the Societys bishops in a much better position than before. He also evaluates the bishop's claims about Lefebvre and the doctrinal status of the SSPX. As it turns out there are many Catholics out there who are attracted to the Society as a potential option due to their spiritually barren Neo-Modernist dioceses, which are only getting worse under Francis. Thus many of the young priests emerging from our seminaries today (and I have personal experience of this) are a confused mixture of Liberalism and Protestantism, with possibly some vestigial Catholicism. Not a word. Bernard Fellay writing also in the name of the other three Bishops consecrated on 30 June 1988 requested once again the removal of the excommunication latae sententiae formally declared by a Decree of the Prefect of this Congregation for Bishops on 1 July 1988. Although Pope John Paul II putatively excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops he consecrated in 1988, this ex-communication of SSPX bishops was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI in 2009. As the baptized cease, at death, to belong to the Church Militant, the dead cannot be excommunicated. He, therefore, is their ultimate protector. Michael Davies explains the correct understanding of schism below: Voris Guts His Own Argument that the SSPX Denies the Indefectibility of Church, are the popes disciplinary rulings infallible? Thus, by refusing to criticize him, Voris ironically disobeys the will of the pope. Dissident priests and indifferent bishops allow the unchecked spread of uncatholic beliefs among the laity. As for canon law, Voris only one time, around the 24 minute mark, even alludes to a particular canon that is devastating to his position that Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated: The SSPX claims that Lefebvres consecrations were permissible, and he was not excommunicated due to canon law because deep down inside Lefebvre truly believed what he was doing was necessary. Then Voris twists into a logical pretzel. @BrianBurchCV spoke to @amspectator on the concerning, anti-Catholic rule. Voris Copies and Pastes from Sedevacantist Website to Prove Abp. Who will tell us who the future Pope is to be? Seriously? This is also seen in the writings of St. Cajetan who puts an unusual emphasis on conscience for a 16th c. writer: If someone, for a reasonable motive, holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delect of schism nor any other whatsoever, provided that he be ready to accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion. Third, Voris should be thanking God Society priests would recommend their married faithful to their own priests for annulment advice. A crisis Voris ironically explained to us in detail in the first minute of his hit piece. Then what are his readers to do? Now we know that Our Lord gave us this of who is in the Church and who is not judge them by their fruits. The Holy Ghost cannot be outside the Church; hence if He is with the Society, the Society is in the Church. He says: The SSPX denies the indefectibility of the Church. For he had the following to say about the Novus Ordo Missal itself, separate and apart from any abuses: they [the faithful] appeal to the pope their dismissed and in the meantime a new mass is being engineered that almost totally downplays all Catholic worship in favor of the Protestant friendly approach We're not talking about the validity. TYLER, Texas ( LifeSiteNews) Tyler's Bishop Joseph Strickland has declared his public opposition to Pope Francis' "program of undermining the Deposit of Faith," as part a series of tweets in. Is the Pope saying they DO exercise legitimate ministry in the Church? Is this a break from the past that's so violent that you can't really say this is Catholic worship as we have understood it? I wonder. They treat the matter of whether we have a pope as one of private judgment (just me and my pre-Vatican II moral theology textbooks), call their subjective conclusion objective and obvious and expect other Catholics to accept it. Really? Giovanni Benelli, the substitute Secretary of State, wrote the following to Mgr. As evidence, I point to the CMTV website itself. the extent and limits of the provision of 21 January 2009 were not clearly and adequately explained at the moment of its publication. Proof that Pope Pius V never intended his own Bull to ridiculously forbid such obvious logical revisions is that he himself added the feast of Our Lady of the Rosary to the missal following the Battle of Lepanto in 1571. Has he been living under a rock in the Vortex? But those who hold power, at least the Roman Congregations, are in the process of leading the Church into schism. By submitting your information, you agree to allow LifeSiteNews to send you email communications. In fact, the Vaticans own Cardinals and esteemed canon lawyers, as I quoted in this piece explain that this notion is absolutely incorrect. It was the Societys Idea to Have Doctrinal Discussions, Not the Popes. Curiously, however, Voris fails to mention a New Testament passage which provides a perfect example of what to do when a pope is causing scandal among the faithful: But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbuanqYTRA REASON & THEOLOGY Support Store Courses Instagram rorate-caeli.blogspot. Bishop Fellay pointed out what should have been obvious to us all. For he absurdly acts as if Pope Benedict somehow realized the SSPX was in heresy in 2009 and then demanded doctrinal discussions as if to put them before the Inquisition. de Castro-Mayer and I preferred to wait; we said it was more prudent and more in conformity with Providence to wait because it is so important, so tragic, when it is not just a bishop, archbishop or cardinal, but the man in the chair of Peter. As Brian McCall stated after attending a conference by Bishop Fellay back in 2010: The policy of the Vatican seems to be a contradictory policy which vacillates between condemnation and admiration, His Excellency noted. Rather they assist at SSPX chapels for Mass in order to ensure they have the spiritual guidance of orthodox Catholic priests in a sea of chaos. Did this mean the Pope had regularized the Society? ), Fr. For Bishop Huonder, the SSPX is a child of this crisis, since its founder wanted to respond to this crisis, to defend the faith and help the faithful who felt lost. Many were sheep without a shepherd, and Archbishop Lefebvre was out to help the salvation of souls, as well as the preservation of the purity of the Faith. That Faith, Bishop Huonder explains, is the path to salvation and thus must not be falsified. For Archbishop Lefebvre, the principle was that one may not follow a pope when that pope follows liberal ideas, but at the same time, one always has to show respect for his office, according to the Swiss bishop. First Voris confuses the principle of epikeia, or equity, with the clear canon law on states of necessity which the SSPX primarily uses in its defense. I could observe a sound theological, spiritual and human reality in the two [seminaries]. 37 comments. Unfortunately the hurricane of apostasy that swept through the Church in the late 60s [No state of necessity, Michael?] From Staples argument, one would expect each of these change to be quite major, stripping large parts of prayers here, rewriting others, providing options, etc. That is a very, very key question., In 1967 after a series of small incremental changes, Bugnini unveils his vision for the new mass to a senate of bishops in the Sistine Chapel right under Michelangelo's glorious frescoesreports are that this Mass was so repulsiveand so disturbing that more than half of the bishop simply got up and walkedout of the MassTwo years later in 1969 on April 3. Do we really think that an SSPX family assisting at their local abuse-laden Mass is going to change the parish? "Bishop Vigano KICKED OFF TWITTER. None other than an out of context quotation from a six year old letter that Benedict XVI wrote in 2009; a letter that the pope wrote right after he had just remitted the excommunications of the four SSPX bishops (yet another step bringing the SSPX closer to a regularized status in the Church). The Archbishop always acted with prudence and patience in regards to such a serious question. Front Royal, VA 22630, 157 Catharine St N, Unit 2 Michael Lofton reviews the comments of retired bishop Vitus Huonder concerning his claim that Pope Francis told him the SSPX is not in schism. For it is precisely because the Society believes as Catholics have always believed that there are doctrinal differences with a self-described Conciliar Rome: The Rome of Assisi, religious liberty, ecumenism, collegiality, in addition to the Novus Ordo Missae . Now consider the following from Brian McCall at the Angelus Press Conference in 2010 demonstrating that, contrary to Voris ruling, the supposed excommunication on the Archbishop was lifted in 2009 by none other than Pope Benedict XVI: At the Angelus conference, Bishop Fellay also drew our attention to a related indication found in the wording of the Vatican decree nullifying the decree of SSPX excommunication. Pointing to Pope Francis documents Traditionis Custodes (2021) and Desiderio Desideravi (2022), Huonder says the pope wants to eradicate the traditional Roman liturgy., Moreover, Bishop Huonder sees this current pope as an outspoken supporter of the so-called World Religion. For many faithful, the prelate adds, this is a stumbling block.. Pope Francis has explicitly, deliberately and dramatically revoked the permissions and legislation given by his predecessors. The SSPX is not in full communion with the Church and is invited by the Church to rediscover this path. Pius XI? Huonder says that this time of study has given him a new perspective, a new view on the past 70, 80 years of Church history. Voris also comically states that under the traditional Catholic definition of schism High Church Anglicans would be in full communion. This is absurd. They have very limited time and they are looking for one-stop-shopping to read up quickly on a very important issue for themselves and their families. Anglican Bishops: To be Trans is to Enter a Sacred Journey of Becoming Whole, Why Ecumenism is Solemn Nonsense: Part V, Msgr. Then, Voris hypocritically states that the Society criticizes not only abuses in the Novus Oro Mass, but that they go after the Missal itself. I suppose he means like he himself did in 2010, when he stated the following: they [the faithful] appeal to the pope, theyre dismissed, and in the meantime a new mass is being engineered that almost totally downplays all Catholic worship in favor of the Protestant friendly approach, We're not talking about the validity. Lefebvre (emphasis added): The Holy Father charges me this very day to confirm the measure of which you have been informed in his name. So please spare us the lecture. If we interpret the Responsa as applying to the former Ecclesia Dei communities, then we are, today, in the odd situation of SSPX having licit traditional Latin confession and FSSP not. Please enable JavaScript, and refresh your browser for full functionality. }); The only logical explanation is that the Pope recognizes the Archbishop for the loyal son of the Church that he is. Hickson has closely followed the papacy of Pope Francis and the developments in the Catholic Church in Germany, and she has been writing articles on religion and politics for U.S. and European publications and websites such as LifeSiteNews, OnePeterFive, The Wanderer, Rorate Caeli, Catholicism.org, Catholic Family News, Christian Order, Notizie Pro-Vita, Corrispondenza Romana, Katholisches.info, Der Dreizehnte, Zeit-Fragen, and Westfalen-Blatt. In conclusion, I again quote Michael Voris to make my case: There is a real crisis in the Church. Bogle stressed that the SSPX and the sacraments administrated by them, including marriages and confessions, have been formally recognized by Francis. The new liturgy was simply not formed by saints, Is the SSPX interpretation of the document [. - Geremia. As we know, Bishop Fellay did comply with the Vatican request to move the ordinations (demonstrating once again his willingness to obey the Pope). So Voris and his minions condescendingly lectured us about the SSPX being in schism! in almost every article and Vortex episode for an entire week. Never mind that no Catholic theologian in history has taught that mere disobedience equals schism. People who have been married by the SSPX, in a word, arentThe SSPX offer sacraments under false pretenses; a heinous, heinous crime. This is not the first time that Schneider has come to the SSPX's defense nor will it likely be the last. 4 Family Life Lane Furthermore, its the Conciliar Church today that for the most part resembles low Church Anglicanism (not high). Thus, Voris charge is entirely misplaced. Dissident priests and indifferent bishops allow the unchecked spread of uncatholic beliefs among the laity. Another point worth mentioning is that the SSPX never left the Church. Maybe Voris has not realized this, but any time Catholic priests put themselves on the front lines or get in the trenches fighting Modernism, they either get sent to outer Mongolia, disciplined, persecuted, suspended, expelled, or excommunicated. He added a preface for the feast of Christ the King. They have also prevented a large number of dissatisfied Catholics from becoming sedevacantists. This, coupled with Voris rhetoric on privately judging whether Catholics are in schism using their own definition, can leads to privately judging whether the pope is a public heretic, which can lead to sedevacantism. How this is in any way applicable to the SSPX, he does not say. Heresy, schism, ipso facto excommunication, and invalid election are some causes which could make it happen that a Pope never was one or would cease to be one. In August, Bishop Athanasius Schneider said the SSPX should be accepted as they are after visiting two SSPX seminaries as requested by the Holy See: I am keeping a good impression of my visits. This is proven by the fact that when the suppression was attempted to be enforced, Archbishop Lefebvre asked to see the documents whereby the Pope authorized the body who made the original decision against his seminary. Therefore, Voris entire case against the SSPX is gutted within the first minute of his video. Yes, Trent Protects Received and Approved Rites. As the Pope responds in his letter, they disingenuously accused him of wanting to turn back the clock and made a show of questioning his commitment to Vatican II. She holds a PhD from the University of Hannover, Germany, after having written in Switzerland her doctoral dissertation on the history of Swiss intellectuals before and during World War II. How can it be that the Pope and the Vatican can have this policy of saying one thing but doing another? It would have saved me a lot of trouble as he (once again) just self-refuted his entire video. Does this not manifest a Vatican dismissal of the seriousness of the issue of the SSPXs legal recognition? Sounds like Voris is saying the Missal itself is full of incentives to impiety. In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. Voris Refutes His Entire Video in the First Minute, The Catholi-Schism video begins with the words Chapter 1: These are Dark Days. Voris quotes Bishop Athanasius Schneider as saying , we currently live through a catastrophe rivaling that of the Arian crisis., There is a real crisis in the Church. In the days following the release of the video, however, I began to receive numerous requests to respond to it and issue a rebuttal. Even if he technically does not, it is certainly a sign of the crisis we live in that such a man could even be seriously considered as the Churchs guardian of doctrine: http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_161_Muller_Virgin.html, http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_160_Muller_Trans.html, Much later in the video, Voris will try to say that the Society uses a fabricated definition of schism which , has no base in canonical precedent and results from an extremely flawed notion of the Churchs laws regarding full communion., has never been the understanding of the Church. How is it that a Pope, the true successor of Peter, assured of the assistance of the Holy Spirit, could preside at the destruction of the Church, the most profound and the most widespread in history to occur in so little space of time, that which no heretic has ever succeeded in doing? Kriegel and have us turn off our air conditioners and mourn extinct species because Francis said so? Perhaps he is trying to mock the idea or make it sound silly. Voris then quotes Pius X saying not to attack the hierarchy, oblivious that Voris himself is condemned by the quote since he condemns the bishops at every opportunity. If there is doubt about its validity a law is not binding, says the Code of Canon Law. Voris, like the liberals before him, also chose to exploit and sensationalize the Archbishops choice of the word bastard in a famous sermon in the 1970s by choosing to quote only the sentences using that word: The union desired by these Liberal Catholics, a union between the Church and the Revolution and subversion is, for the Church, an adulterous union, adulterous. It would not cover translations and later optional practices which were only permitted as exceptions (and in many cases began as abuses). Tag: Did Pope Francis Say the SSPX is NOT in Schism? This is simply more evidence Voris doesnt know his subject matter. In addition, if we were to take Voris seriously in his interpretation of Trent he would ironically anathematize himself with his own argument. The best example they could set would be to refuse to go to them. . But beyond this, Pope Francis himself has said he welcomes criticism! First he repeats, for at least the fifth time, Pope Benedicts quote regarding the SSPX not being in full communion, while disregarding the fact that Pope Benedict, in that same letter, spelled out the fact that the SSPX did not meet the definition of schism. St. Thomas Aquinas has said that if the error is public and it is a matter of Faith a subordinate has the right to correct the superior, even publicly. You have not enabled JavaScript! First, there has not been any official Vatican document declaring the SSPX to be in schism (as even Voris admits), thus no formal schism. On Easter Sunday this year, the Easter Bunny distributed chocolate eggs during 'Mass' at St Patrick's Cathedral at Toowomba in Queensland. So perhaps after this famous meeting of Assisi, perhaps we must say that the Pope is a heretic, is apostate. The SSPX Faithful do not avoid Novus Ordo Catholics or other Traditionalists like the plague, as Voris seems to think. BIG NEWS: Pope Francis says NO SSPX SCHISM, bishop huonder sspx, bishop vitus huonder, bishop vitus huonder sspx, Breaking. The canonical situation of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), a group founded in 1970 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, is unresolved. Who knew? Pope Paul said "No"; Mgr. If Voris could put a giant muzzle on all of us, he would. marcel lefebvre padre pio, pope francis sspx confession, pope francis sspx not in schism, . 87990cbe856818d5eddac44c7b1cdeb8, Continue reading your article witha WSJ subscription, Already a subscriber? ', "Therefore we have firmly decided to continue our work of restoring the Catholic priesthood no matter what happens, persuaded that we can render no greater service to the Church, to the Pope, to the bishops and to the faithful. German Catholics have been meeting since last year to consider major changes to church life, including the blessing of same-sex relationships and the ordination of womenmoves that many see as essential reforms after the clerical sex-abuse crisis. Pope Francis's new doctrine czar has hit back at critics in the United States and elsewhere who've questioned his adherence to Church teaching, saying he's not a 'Soros spy.' . I was able to find a similar quote in a newspaper report on the event, but it was attributed to Msgr. Yet Voris asks us to live in a fantasyland where Pius X would call for obedience to men who are destroying everything he stood for. Thats what Peter Stravinkskas is asking. Fr. The average Catholic is ignorant or couldnt care less about his salvation.. Calling the experience a retractatio, Huonder says he now better understands the causes of the current crisis in the Church, and the reality that this crisis is actually one of the greatest crises of her history., Speaking about the crisis, Huonder says it was caused by a cryptic moving away from Tradition, from the authentic teaching of the Church, both in the documents of the [Second Vatican] Council and in the ensuing magisterial documents and decisions. This is why, according to the Swiss prelate, Archbishop Lefebvre could not follow unreservedly the instructions and doctrinal statements of the Council and of the official church announcements that followed the Council., His attitude was factually justified and entirely in line with the Faith of the Church, Bishop Huonder concludes.
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